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PTOLEMY – Andrew Joseph 9th 79th and 80th Regiment

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Andrew Joseph Ptolomey
Title 1883
79th Queens Own Cameron Highlanders
Sutlej Medal
Indian Mutiny Medal w Lucknow Clasp
9th Regiment Royal Norfolk Cap Badge
80th Regiment of Foot Staffordshire
Died Perth Colonial Hospital
NamePTOLEMY – Andrew Joseph
Regiment (s)9th 80th and 79th Regiment
Regiment Number (s) 1906/2655 / 109
Date/Age/Place/Trade or
Profession at Attestation
24th May 1842 / 18 years / Dublin Ireland
Description – Height
5 Ft 6¼ in
Fresh / Grey / Brown / None
Overseas Service/DurationBurma and India – 17 years 8 months
Length of Service21 years 73 days
Rank/Date/Place of DischargePrivate / 4th August 1863 / Royal Victoria Hospital Netley England
Campaign MedalsSutlej Medal with two clasps
Burmah Medal with one clasp
Indian Mutiny Medal with Lucknow clasp
Intended Residence at
Dublin Ireland
Pension Districts1863 2nd Dublin
1865-1893 Western Australia
Pension Paid1/0d per diem
1887 Increased to 1/6d per diem for service Enrolled Force
Date of Departure and Place
England or Ireland
26th May 1865 Portland England
Ship and Date of Arrival
Western Australia
RACEHORSE 10th August 1865
Date/Place of Birthc1824 St. Catherine’s Dublin Dublin Ireland
Date/Place of BaptismNot yet known
Date/Place of Birth
Not yet known
Date/Place of Birth
Not yet known
SiblingsNot yet known
1st Wife
Date of Birth or Baptism
Born 1822 Dublin Ireland
Date/Place of MarriageNot yet known
Children by 1st WifeAndrew born 1843 Dublin Ireland
2nd Wife
Date of Birth or Baptism
Not yet known
Date/Place of MarriageNot yet known
Children by 2nd WifeAnnie B 5 December 1864 High Street Dublin Ireland
M CROUCH William Bull 1884 Fremantle
D 12 December 1942 Perth WA
Bur Fremantle Cemetery WA
Mary Elizabeth B 1 December 1866 Fremantle WA
M BENNETT George Alfred 1893 Perth WA
Joseph B 24th October 1868 Fremantle WA
D 13 July 1941 Victoria Park WA
Bur Karrakatta cemetery WA
William B 30 September 1870 Fremantle WA
M JONES Sussanah 1901 Perth WA
D 24 September 1935 West Perth
Bur Karrakatta Cemetery WA
Agnes B 15/18 December 1873 (FS)
bap 7th December 1873 Western Australia
M SPENCE Alexander Seymour 1895 Geraldton WA
Father of 1st wife
Date/Place of Birth
Not yet known
Mother of 1st wife
Date/Place of Birth
Not yet known
Land Grants Western
Perth Lot 130V
0.3.3 acres
Date Assigned 11 November 1881
Title Application 27 September 1883
Title 6/30
Abuts the railway near Thomas Street West Perth
Occupation after
Sold newspapers.
Newspaper ArticlesWestern Mail Perth Saturday 12th February 1887 – page 36
Daily News Perth Monday 27th February 1889 – page 2
The Daily News Saturday 12 October 1889 page 3 theft of razor
Daily News Friday 20 December 1889 page 2 Joseph Ptolomey
Western Mail Perth Saturday 4th March 1893 – page 41 Accident and death of Andrew Ptolemy
The Daily News 6th April 1893 page 3 Trial of William Taylor
Departure from Western
Not applicable
Date/Place of Death/Burial27th February 1893 Colonial Hospital Perth Western Australia
East Perth Cemeteries Western Australia
Date/Place of Death/Burial
10 June 1885 Lunatic Asylum Fremantle Western Australia
Not yet known
Will or ProbateNone known
Further Information1844 “Entry 1510 Dublin Workhouse Admission and Discharge Register 1840-1919” PTOLEMY Mary A, age 22, Husband a soldier India East. Occupation Servant, RC, ragged clothing, Townland South City, Admitted 25 March 1844 with sore eyes, discharged 6 April 1844; husband Andrew Ptolemy.
Son of above: Andrew, age 1, RC, admitted with sore eyes 25 March 1844, discharged 6 April 1844British Army Worldwide index:
1851 No 2655 formerly 1906 80th regiment stationed Dinapore India
1861 No 109 79th regiment stationed Ferozepore East Indies

Discharge: Completed his term of service, Impaired health suffers from debility and chronic rheumatism.

1865 Mentioned in Surgeon’s Log Friday 23rd June having been reported for drinking water from the water barrel for washing purposes. Sentenced to 14 days watch and grog.

Andrew was struck off the Pension list several times firstly after being convicted of theft, firstly in 1887 and after having it restored in 1888 he was again struck off in 1889, once again he asked for it to be restored.

Son Joseph suffered from cataracts from an early age and sold newspapers in the streets for a living. On 4th September 1888 his father Andrew applied to the Colonial Secretary for financial assistance for his son Joseph who was nearly totally blind stating he earned seventeen shilling and six pence per week selling newspapers together with his pension of one shilling per day and the ten shilling his son earned selling newspapers was not enough to survive on. The Colonial secretary replied in these hard times many families survived on less, application denied.

Joseph had spent six years in the Subiaco orphanage.
Eventually Dr Hope said he could remove the cataracts for free but as it was a lengthy process and money would be needed for Joseph’s board and lodging. The public raised the money to pay for the operation by having exhibitions, concerts and donations

Agnes Ptolemy age 7 years was admitted to the RC Orphanage on 18 May 1880 and left 30 June 1884 to her friends

Ann Ptolemey was admitted to the Lunatic Asylum Fremantle on 21 March 1879 where she died of debility ‘following on acute mania where she died on 10th June 1885. The coroner’s jury returned a verdict of death from natural causes.’

1893 While crossing Howick (Hay) Street on the evening of 25th February Andrew Joseph Ptolomy was knocked down by a horse being furiously ridden by William Taylor who rode away without giving assistance. Suffering from a contusion on the right side of his skull he was admitted to the Victoria Hospital where he died the following Monday. The post- mortem found he had died “from shock, due to extravasation of blood. The injuries were such as would be caused by the deceased being run over or knocked down by a horse.”
William Taylor was committed to trial for manslaughter at the next criminal sessions of the Supreme Court where although he was convicted of manslaughter he was sentenced to 1 month’s imprisonment with hard labour. The leniency was on account of his young age (15 years).